Following the rules
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Following the rules
Should health and safety managers use their own initiative or follow the rules?
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It depends on what industry you're in - you're not allowed to breathe unless you've been trained. As far as I'm concerned the answer to this question is the quality of the manager. If he likes to bend the rules ...
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It depends on what industry you're in - you're not allowed to breathe unless you've been trained. As far as I'm concerned the answer to this question is the quality of the manager. If he likes to bend the rules ...
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It's a very, very awkward question but I think it depends where we are coming from. One of my interpretations of the question is the h&S manager or another person - are you asking what if somebody does something against ...
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To some degree it depends on how good your rules are to start with.
Do you think it's a case of there is that confusion in people's minds because you haven't got the right management systems in place ... -
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Yes, if you look at it in terms of the HSE's approach, which is clearly about prosecutions and enforcement, it's all about management failure.
Management failure can be either in terms of the actual management system but actually, once ... -
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I agree with the previous post. A piece of paper has never saved anybody's life.
We have a thing called Step Change which is an item called Personal Responsibility for Safety which empowers any individual to stop a job. ... -
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Does that happen very often, Bill?
Kellie Mundell
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Not as often as we'd like actually, we are empowered to do it, by Step Change and all the industry bought into it, so they are very much aware that all of this is part of the system. But we ...
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Where it does happen, does that spark any kind of investigation to find out what the problem was, stop it happening again etc?
Kellie Mundell
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I wouldn't say an investigation, it's dealt with at a local level.
Going back to the management person, he's got just as much power to stop any job or act, the same as anyone else.
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I've heard of Step Change, through the oil and gas industry.
With regards to the original question, I perceive the question to be coming froma health and safety perspective but it seems that everyone is answering from a general ... -
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David, I'd be very interested to hear what you think from a health and safety perspective?
Kellie Mundell
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From a health and safety perspective, I don't agree with what has been said previously in this thread. The HSE prosecution approach - I disagree with that. My experience and interface with the HSE are more likely to provide advice ...
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My original question was borne out of the story of the death of 10-year-old Jordon Lydon, who drowned while trying to save his step-sister. At the time it was reported in the national press that two Police Community Support Officers ...
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Taking it out of context of what it said about the two PCSOs, and the later letter that stated that it was in fact two anglers who saw the boy drown, surprised me.
I've been an angler all my life, ...
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In my experience you have to apply both. I assume these rules (or procedures) arise from policy, risk assessment and planning effort, so they are very important and the basis of what needs to be implemented and monitored by other ...
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Re: Following the rules
Added: 16:41 29.02.2008
My original question was borne out of the story of the death of 10-year-old Jordon Lydon, who drowned while trying to save his step-sister. At the time it was reported in the national press that two Police Community Support Officers stood by and watched, however it later transpired that this wasn't the case at all.
The story sparked much debate in the IIRSM Newsletter and I thought I'd ask users what they think of people using their own initiative when they see or experience an unsafe act, or whether they should stick to the rule book at all times?
All in the spirit of healthy debate, of course!
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