Compulsory safety education - a good idea?

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Re: Compulsory safety education - a good idea?

Added: 10:46 15.08.2008

Following on from Roger Somerville's comment, I agree, but in addition to that I think the direction is very important because it could make matters worse if people get the wrong message or we don't get the emphasis right.

The phrase 'risk assessment' is almost seen as an evil, because of what the media has done and it really does affect people's approach to safety. We at Kodak try to work on the affective behavioural route, the Dr. Tim Marsh approach; it's a much better way then telling people how to act. We've had much better results by going down that route than the prescriptive methods. We've found that's it better to say why people can't do things, rather than just say no, don't do it. That way you get people involved and also the people that do it get to see what's not right.

We also have quite a lot of 14-16 year olds on work experience that come to our site an spend time with us, and one recently told me that he was told he couldn't play with conkers because it was unsafe, and if they were to, they'd have to wear goggles and gloves.

We thought we'd got away from that but it's still going on. School trips being cancelled, that sort of thing, it's a real shame - and it really winds me up!


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  • Compulsory safety education - a good idea?

    Labour MP Michael Clapham recently tabled a parliamentary motion calling for the education curriculum to contain a health and safety element.

    Do you think compulsory safety education in schools would do anything to mitigate the media's representation of ...

    Community Editor | 10:40 15.08.2008
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      I think whatever is done needs to be pragmatic because unfortunately our media now latches on to any politically correct training that is given, and we certainly have an issue with sex education where it would appear that it's failing ...

      roger.somerville | 10:43 15.08.2008
      • Re: Compulsory safety education - a good idea?

        Following on from Roger Somerville's comment, I agree, but in addition to that I think the direction is very important because it could make matters worse if people get the wrong message or we don't get the emphasis right.
        roger rustom | 10:46 15.08.2008

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          Don't you think this is an inevitable consequence of the litigation-happy attitudes to risk? That there is no longer any acceptable level of risk if you can sue someone for anything bad that happens to you - there's a lottery ...

          Louis Wustemann | 10:48 15.08.2008
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            In terms of safety education, I don't believe it's the kids that need educating - it's the teachers. If a teacher had, and the school governors had a full understanding of risk management including their responsibilities within the role that ...

            John Nelson | 10:50 15.08.2008
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      Referring to the recent story of the 17 year old working at Waitrose, who got his arm caught in a cardboard bailing machine, at 17 you haven't got much confidence, he'll just get on with the job.
      Universities do teacher ...

      david.thomas1 | 10:52 15.08.2008
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        For those of you who aren't aware of the story David is referring to - you can read it here, and see the photographs:

        http://www.healthandsafetyprofessional.co.uk/file/86d11e8208a4b988cc49eefd0fd96010/waitrose-fined-after-17-year-olds-arm-crushed-june-2008.html

        Community Editor | 10:53 15.08.2008
      • Re: Compulsory safety education - a good idea?

        For those of you who aren't aware of the story David is referring to - you can read it here, and see the photographs:

        http://www.healthandsafetyprofessional.co.uk/file/86d11e8208a4b988cc49eefd0fd96010/waitrose-fined-after-17-year-olds-arm-crushed-june-2008.html

        Community Editor | 10:53 15.08.2008
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        In the olden days when I did City & Guilds, part of my curriculum included safety. It wasn't branded as being safety, it was a case of, if you're going to work on a construction site as a labourer, or ...

        John Nelson | 10:56 15.08.2008
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          I was an apprentice fitter on wrapping machines at Birds Eye Foods in 1969 and in the first week I was sitting having a cup of tea with one of the fitters and happened to notice he was missing a ...

          david.thomas1 | 10:58 15.08.2008
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            I think this is where we have this problem at the moment, not so much with the media but what we have with people being churned out of school or university and actually, they've not been trained to do a ...

            roger.somerville | 11:00 15.08.2008
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              I absolutely agree. Going back to litigation, that perhaps is sometimes the driver, a lot of the insurance companies are unwilling to take forward contributory negligence and would rather settle out of court which leaves you with this problem in ...

              anne.mallory | 11:02 15.08.2008
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              I absolutely agree. Going back to litigation, that perhaps is sometimes the driver, a lot of the insurance companies are unwilling to take forward contributory negligence and would rather settle out of court which leaves you with this problem in ...

              anne.mallory | 11:02 15.08.2008
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                We have recently restarted the modern apprenticeships on our site and the guys learn that you have to listen and pay attention to the way you are carrying out a task.
                Safety should be threaded through - it's not necessarily ...

                roger rustom | 11:03 15.08.2008
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      If you were going to put safety on the curriculum for teenagers the one thing you'd have to think very carefully about how you sold it to that age group.

      Famously, no-one has managed to get teenagers to ...

      Louis Wustemann | 11:04 15.08.2008